yea i get it it's good to be informed.... but why should i listen if they dont listen to other points of views??? Dont you think that that's unfair how they chose one thing is corrrect but the other isn't???

I agree with Jamie, no matter what you believe, you should be knowledgeable about as many things as possible, because then in an argument or debate people can't call you uninformed. And there is nothing wrong with being informed.... hope you all had a good weekend!

I dont know to much about the war. the media has not covered it as much any more. so it has kinda of died away i think. i dont think we should be there, because it just causeing more problems for us. if there was another attck on the U.S. then we should go back, but right know there is really no reason for us being there.

Ahh, misunderstanding..

No no, I'm sorry, I think you guys misunderstood what I had posted. I was totally agreeing with you guys that religion and creationism should be mentioned in schools. Because it's totally not fair to you guys.
And the "shut up and deal" wasn't towards the religious people. I was saying that if religions did end up being taught and evolution believing people complained about it, that THEY should be the ones to deal with it. Because they've had it their way for a while now, and now we should give creationism a chance.
I'm sorry if I wasn't clear on that before, it's kind of hard to type some times, because people can't hear the tone that you're using and stuff. But I wasn't dissing you guys at all, I was just saying that your beliefs should have a chance too, and people who don't agree with your beliefs should just deal with it, because everyone has different opinions.
I'm really sorry for the misunderstanding..

Danae's Responce

I agree... If schools are allowed to teach evolution why cant we talk about religion. I mean most people either believe in God or in evolution. So if they teach one in school why cant they teach the other its like they are saying that the God issue is not real.. Some of us think the evolution issue isnt real either. They should have a choice on what to study, either a religion class or a evolution class. I also never really pay attention when it comes to evolution. I do listen and get the info I need to pass the test but everything I learn I toss out at the end of the test. I agree we shouldnt have to shut up and deal with it. Because if we shut up and deal with it about evolution why cant everyone else just shut up and deal with religion??? Why is it that we are always singled out because we believe in God?

Response to Jamie

A point or two in a test can be alot. But the test doesn't matter it's what they teach in school. If schools are allowed to teach evolution why aren't we able to talk about religion? Why is it if we mention it in school either we are sent to our administrators or just get in trouble with our teachers? Shouldn't there be, like the gov't, check and balances among schools. To be honest I really never payed attention in class about evolution because they taught me that God is the one that created us. So I don't think we just have to shut up and deal with it we should just speak up.....

Jamie's response

In response to Dennis and Keith's post.
I think that it's really sad that you have to basically lie on a test just so you don't get deducted a point or two. And I completely agree with Dennis, in that some times you have to do/ learn things that you don't particularly agree with. And that's exactly what I said earlier about should creationism be taught. I said that yes, it should have a little involvement in our curriculum. And if the evolution believing people have a problem with it, they should just shut up and deal. Because religious kids have to deal with being taught that evolution is the real thing. I believe in evolution, but I really wouldn't care at all being taught creationism or any other thought on how we're in existence today, because I really don't know anything about any other belief. It's important to be knowledgeable in all different aspects of things, even if you believe it or not.

Dennis' Post

This is post is a reply to Keith's post about evolution being taught as a fact, not a theory.

I think evolution is being taught as a fact because in schools, teachers have to teach things that have more evidence or proof, like 1+1=2 or something like that. I am like Keith and I don't really believe in evolution. Also, going back to the test with the question, "Are humans still evolving?" I answered yes even though I don't believe it is the right answer, I thought it was the right answer for the test. I think what I'm trying to say is, although teachers teach things like evolution as a fact, they may not believe it themselves, and neither will some students, but sometimes people have to do something they may not agree with to avoid consequences like a lower grade for students or getting in trouble by someone higher in the school education system ladder for teachers.

My point of view!!

I'm not very informed about what is going on in Iraq. But my point of view is that war is not the answer... What are we (or better said) our soldiers fighting for?? Is there a point to it?? I think that the gov't is just afraid of losing a war and that they are there just to make it seem like we are there for something

Women Leaders

I agree with English on this totally. I believe that, yes, there have been good female leaders and representatives for the female population, but that doesn't mean that we, as women, would be any less capable of starting or stopping wars. We do show more emotion then males but, personally, I would see that as a weakness rather then an asset. I do agree that there has been way more male influential people then female and that just because they're the head of power doesn't make them a good leader. Does that mean that women are not capable of leading a country? Not at all, but I do think that in spite of our giant leap into the future and not being a gender bias as much anymore, people still are and the world really is sexist. We don't like to admit it and frown upon it when it's reported but that's just how the world is. I'm not trying to knock down my own gender but I'm just being realistic.

"Almost everyone now agrees that we need to leave and it was a bad choice on Bush's part, but everyone wanted us in there at the beginning."

I totally agree with you on this point, English, and I myself have never been a huge fan of going over there to start with. War will never and has never been a means to promote peace. To many people (and I frimly believe this) it's just another excuse to pick up a gun and kill someone different then you. It always seems like it has no purpose and it's always a lose-lose situation. I'm not trying to sound like I'm not being supportive of my country or anything. I am, in fact, very unpatriotic and, every morning, get snide remarks from my classmates in 1st period because I don't stand and say the pledge. I'm not trying to be unsupportive but I feel like my family supports this 'war' enough, because my brother is currently fighting it.

On that note: Have a Good Weekend and enjoy Homecoming!! ^_^

What are we afraid of?

I AM A FEMINIST. Why? Because I believe that women in our society should have the same rights and privileges as any other member of our society. The word "feminist" has come to have some kind of negative subtext in our culture and that makes me crazy. Why does it make people nervous to support the idea that women would make effective, peaceful, and successful leaders? There have been many great peaceful male leaders in this world and there could be many females. I think the discussion should focus more on what traits make someone a good, just, and peaceful leader... these traits exist in men and women.

Great posts!

Another different point of view

I am responding to Melanie's post

I agree with you when you said that there are not many examples of women leaders, but then you went on to list all of these women who have done good things. So a couple great people means all women are good leaders? Anyone can pick out a good person out of a crowd . Martin Luther King, Abraham Lincoln, Jesus, there have been many more influential males than females in this world because the world is sexist. Not every person put in charge will be great, man or woman.
What makes women so much more "empathetic"? In a time of crisis where does empathy not fall under a weakness? The world is a hard and demanding, we do not have time to think about the feelings of the men who drove planes into the world trade center or who strapped bombs to their chest and walked into a strip mall. We need them to stop doing these horrible things and sitting down in a circle and talking about feelings and motive are a lot less productive than what we did in Iraq. Almost everyone now agrees that we need to leave and it was a bad choice on Bush's part, but everyone wanted us in there at the beginning.
Condoleezza Rice was or is pro war in Iraq. Her standing on this,

Dr Rice defended the Bush Administration's decision to go to war against Iraq, pledged that she would personally get involved to restart the Middle East peace process

since when does war promote peace?

SIDE NOTE

my question may seem similar to Trish's a while back but instead, I'm asking if the world would be in a different situtation on information you know about past wars and powerful woamen in the past; im not asking if the nation is ready for a woman leader.

another point of view

I was in my Women's Studies class and we recently were talking about the war in Iraq, as well as past wars when we noticed that throughout history wars have been started by powerful men, and discussed about women leaders and compared and contrasted the two . When i went home that same day, i was still thinking about the discusion and asked what my mom and dad thought of the theory. The discusion soon turned into a deep, detailed debate on men and women leaders in the world. I'm not trying to sound femnist, and i'm sorry if i affend anyone, but ask yourself this... "What if there were more women leaders/presidents than men, would there be more or less wars?" There are a few examples of women in power, during the medevil period with Queen Elizabeth, wars were going on during her time. Also, the past Prime Minister of Isreal was a woman who demanded the soldiers to be killed in the Olympics. But what about other women who demanded peace? St. Theresae was a powerful women who, even though she did not rule any country, was very influential to all. Even in our own country there are women who are powerful leaders such as, Condoleezza Rice and Hilary Clinton. It is known that women show more compassion and empathy for men, but this does not mean that they are weak. I understand that war is not about gender, but it does play a factor.

Bothersome thought

Something that has always bothered me is when people show little respect for our soldiers. I am not for the war in Iraq, but I have an extreme amount of respect for those who are willing to possibly end their life to fight for our country. The men and women in the armed forces have an extreme amount of courage that should be respected regardless of someone's view on the war. I'm sure there are some very corrupt aspects about our military, but anyone who is willing to give their life to proove a point, has extreme character.

Iraq

I have to admitt that I don't know much about the war in Iraq. However, I also feel that the US media hides a large amount of what is really happening in Iraq. When we were hit by terrorist on September 11th, the first thought in my mind was to get them back, but this war has gone on for years and what have we really accomplished? Of course the capture of Sadam was a wonderful thing, but that could also spark terrorist attacks when we least expect it. In my opinion it seems that Bush is there right now to make a good name for us and himself. We need to help the citizens of Iraq, and get out soldiers out of there.

Iraq

At the beginning of the war everyone couldn't wait to get into Iraq, and now that we see it may have been a mistake, suddenly everyone was always 100% against it. I will admit I was pro war when we were hit with 9/11 but it defiantly was a mistake. We need to get out of there as fast as we can without leaving the government in total chaos. Easier said than done I agree, but if we can be so trigger happy to start a war then why did we not think of a plan to get us out of the war? We started something we could "win" but we did not start something we can end. Now what?

I have a QUESTION?

It seems to me like we are being taught evolution as a fact not a theory. Why is this? Does anyone else not agree with evolution. Sure, I'll take a test on the theory of evolution but as soon as you ask me to give an example on how humans are still evolving I will tell you we aren't. However, ask me how we theorize humans are still evolving or something like that and I'll asnwer to my best. I think evolution is a bunch of crap and I feel like we are almost being brainwashed to believe this "Theory". This is all bull... in my opinion.

Janny's response

the more and more the war in iraq goes on, the more i think that its never going to end. i dont even remember when the war started and when or what kinds of progess we've made. ive had a friend who had to go to iraq and it is a really big impact on all the people that he knows. its honestly devastating that loved ones are still getting sent to iraq. its kind of like a torn feeling for me because personally i dont support the war, but i have a friend who is in it.

Dennis' Post

I basically agree with everyone else. The war in Iraq seems to have become pointless. I don't really know anyone in the army and I don't really have as much inside knowledge about the war as other people like the president, but it seems to me that the war in Iraq is really not progressing. I haven't really heard any large accomplishments we have had lately in the war, so why do we have troops there? I think we should just cut our losses and prevent other people we know from dying since I know someone in my gym class who said he was being deployed next year, and it is a scary thought of a classmate going off to war and possibly dying. There are many people that have loved ones that will go off and fight in Iraq soon unless the war ends, so I think to save these lives we should just cut our losses and pull out from Iraq.

Carrie's Response

I agree with mandie. At first i felt that being in iraq was justified but the longer it goes on without any real progress, the more embarressing it will be for the U.S. We haven;t stopped terrorist attacks and even our allies are now getting attacked (England and i'm sure others.) People are never going to want to be on our side again if this is what happens. I've stopped watching the news so much when iraq stuff comes up beucase they always seem to be repeating the same things and it makes me sad when on the 6 o'clock news they talk about the fallen soldiers, at least they used to do that, i stopped beucase it was sad. Sometimes when your trying to make everyone happy and please everyone, you instead make everyone mad at you and in the long run, that will probably just screw us over.

Carrie's Response

At the beginning of the war in Iraq, i understood why we were there and i guess kind of knew what we were doing. As time has gone on i feel that it has become ever more pointless. My brother is in the Army so i hear a lot of things about the war from him. When i was visiting him for christmas, i met one of the people he works with who has already been to iraq and back and he said that he supported the war and also said that what we hear on the news is a lot different from what's actually going on. He said that there are a lot of little achievements that have been made that aren't even acknowledged. This might be true but these litle accomplishments aren't getting us any closer to being done. My brother was supposed to be sent to iraq only a few months after graduating from west point but is still in Germany. The more time that they push off his deployment, the more i hate the war because i get even more scared about him going.

Megan's Post

I believe our involvemnt in Iraq has gotten out of hand. I think that the reason why we entered Iraq was not because they are a threat to us, they just have a lot of oil. As of now it seems like the war has gotten pushed out of the way, no one really talks about it and rarely on the news they will mention about a soilder dying. The media keeps saying we are trying to set a day to pull out of Iraq but i dont believe that will be anytime soon because the country is a mess and they can not run a government on their own. From watching tv and reading some news on Iraq i have seen that death rate just keeps climbing and it is crazy that people keep dying because we went in there for one reason and that was to get Sadam out of the power and he is now so we should be trying to withdraw. The U.S. needs to stay out of other people's problems, we try and help out, but usually that just makes it worse. We are not accomplishing anything so i think it is time to pull out.

Mandie's post

well i guess that i agree with both jamie and janelle. The main reason i think that people have been becoming so fed-up with this war is because there seems to be no real advancements, no good news to really keep us going. in the begining yes, 9/11 just happened and we used that to justify what we were doing, we were lead to believe that this really was a war on terrorism, but since then the focus has since changed. to people who dont follow it reguarly it just seems that more and more troops are being sent out, more and more innocent people are dying, more and more money is going into something that we no longer get or support. personally i used to follow it a lot more when i was younger, my teachers would bring it up, keep us updated and as i am never really for war, i thought that it would be over pretty quickly and that would be it. for me i always associated it with 9/11 but that really isnt that case. i really didnt think when i was in 7th grade that 5 years later we would still be in the same spot. america is losing its steam. my sister in law was actually in the war, i can tell you that since shes been home she is a whole different person. i just cant find any good reason for us to really be there i guess, as much as we want to "help everyone else out" we need to stop and think about everyone back home, what the people want, as well as what we are doing to those people serving and of course the people who live in iraq. i dont even feel like we're in war anymore because ive grown so detachted and used to it, which is not something i wanted to happen.

Jamie's Response

First of all, I think that this whole thing is messed up. In 2002 when we originally went in there they said that we were going to fight a war on "terrorism" which is impossible, because you can't fight a war on something intangible. But then they changed the name to Operation Iraq Liberation, hmmm. And then they changed it to something less obvious.
But the terrorists aren't even in Iraq, they're in Afghanistan... and Bush even admitted that there weren't any terrorists there.
We originally went in Iraq to find "weapons of mass destruction" that didn't exsist and terrorists that weren't even in that country. So why are we still there?

In my opinion, the real terrorist is Bush. He's the one who has instilled all this fear in our country. Making us fear another attacking, or that these countries have nuclear weapons when they don't. And he created the new bill to be allowed to listen to our conversations. And all the stuff you have to do at airports now, it's crap.
Fear is the greatest mind control, and unfortunately, Bush has us really scared, and he knows and takes advantage of our vulnerability of being easily persuaded to whatever he says.

janny's response

i remember last year in american studies that the reason that the US seems like the police of the world is that they want to make sure that communism or other types of tyrannic, destructive government dont come into power. in the case with saddam, he was obviously more of a dictator. the US stepped in and took care of him before he could do any more damage. i havent been keeping up with the news in iraq either but it just seems like we're not getting any progess. our involvement in the war in iraq is for a greater purpose than the general public thinks. by having our troops over there, we're helping rebuild a democratic government and try to better the living conditions of the citizens over there. also, we have troops over there trying to fight the terrorist groups. all the US government is trying to do is getting rid of any threat to world peace.

Input

We all need to be careful when we make blanket statements about large groups of people. The people of Iraq and the Middle East have a long history of occupation and war. Islam, like Christianity, are religions based in peace. In spite of that much violence and many crimes have been commited in the name of both. The North Vietnamese employed many of the same tactics during their war with the South and the US, yet since the end of that war have lived peacefully with their neighbors. Will this happen in Iraq? We don't know, but we must remember that our history also has acts of great violence in times of crisis, while this never justifies violence it should make us think twice before calling all people of an area violent and murderous.

Janelle's Response

I think that the U.S. involvement in Iraq is the stupidest thing ever. Lately I haven't really been keeping up with the news, but when I do hear about it it makes me cringe. I read the article about the climbing death tolls in Iraq, and most of the deaths are non-combat related. I think that we are putting our soldiers out there for no apparent reason, only for them to risk their lives. Of all the news I've heard about Iraq, I barely hear about improvements we are making. U.S. involvement in Iraq isn't accomplishing anything other than getting our soldiers killed, most of them not even while fighting. Personally, I think that we should leave Iraq and let them kill and fight each other, and stay out of their business. They are such violent people and I don't think that we should be putting our soldiers right in the middle of them. Also, all of the families of soldiers are being greatly effected also. Its terrible that each day wives, mothers, and children of these soldiers are learning of their family member's death, and it makes it so much worse when they are becasue of non-combat related injuries. U.S. involvement in Iraq is an extremely negative thing for the country, and we are not visibly getting anything accomplished.

Lauren's Response

I really don't know a lot about the war in Iraq and it honestly doesn't even seem like we are at war because of how far away everything is. But, after reading an article about how Iraqi residents were attacking symbols of Saddam, I learned a little about their lives. It said the Iraqis were tearing down portraits of Saddam and knocking down statues. the people joyfully stomped on the statue's stone pieces throughout the streets in Baghdad. One man made a comparison that really helped me better understand what it would be like if i was in Iraq. He said: "It's like Iraqi tanks pulling up on Fifth Avenue in New York City". The article then went on to say that it seemed as if the Iraqi government was somewhat breaking down seeing that an Iraqi information minister (Mohammed Saeed al-Sahaf) did not show up for work for several days along with others. I hope that these happenings in Baghdad send a powerful message to the rest of Iraq to step up fight for their freedom because the end may be near. I know there are many people unhappy with the whole war situation, in fact, I dont know one person that even somewhat likes whats going on.

Topic 3

Everyone has been doing a prettygood job so far. I am enjoying hearing your perspective on these different issues. I really like Trish's question about presidential candidates... relevant and interesting responses.

A new topic... So, let's talk about now. I want to hear your opinions about the continued US involvement in Iraq. Keep in mind, I would appreciate it if you made an effort to talk to someone or read a few articles before just spontaneously posting. I know how I feel and I will add some posts too as we discuss this, but I feel like it is a real issue right now and I want to know what you are thinking first.

Bobbo's response

I don't think there would ever be a situation where i would give up my civil liberties. Civil liberties are what give us the right to do what we are doing right now, which is stating our opinion. There are some countries that dont allow people to do that. The government tells them what to believe and if they try to voice out against it then bad things happen to that person. Some people in other countries are brainwashed into thinking that every thing is going great and that what the government is telling them is right. They dont even think about having a different opinion, there are no if's, and's or but's, what they tell you is whats right and that is what you have to live by. I think some people dont realize that having civil liberties allows us to do so many of the little things we dont even think about it. And I admit that I too wasnt thinking about it until i starting writing this post. So i guess to wrap it all up, i wouldnt be so quick to just throw away my civil liberties.

Civil Liberties are one of those things that most people have that they never stop to think about. Now even though not everybody thinks about it they do use them on a daily basis. When people give up those liberties, all of a suddon they start to think of them and are kind of selfish. It's not that everybody is selfish, but it is one of those "it's not fair" type of thoughts. Me personally I don't really care, because I try to be one of the easiest going people and try to be everybodies friend no matter how they treat me or what the think of me. If I cared what everybody thought of me I'd be one of those annerexic idiots trying to fit in with the most popular people.

Dennis' response

I agree with Ryan when he said that being a woman would give more of an advantage over an African American for becoming president. Although most people will probably look at the policies of these candidates, some people will vote depending on the color of the skin or by what gender someone is. I am eighteen and I don't really know who to vote for and I don't even know if I really will. Most people are excited about being able to vote, but I guess I really don't care too much since I am not really into politics so I don't really know each person's policies and abilities, so I wouldn't be able to make that great of a choice. Hopefully people will be able to pick someone that is a good leader and will be able to run the country well since I don't really know that much about either Hilary or Obama.

Ryan's Response to president canidation.

I think that America will eccept a women President over a African American President. Not to be racist but through history the women were able to vote before the African American person could. There is a bit of a problem though. If a women is ellected President then the normal cycle of men being president would be interupted. But America needs to change. For the people that think that a women can not be president then they would ellect the African American man. Me personaly. i do not care. either way it would seem interesing to see the resalts of what will happen.

Bailey's Response

I would never say that I wouldn't give up my civil liberties under any circumstances. The reason for my position is that there could be a situation where people's safety is in jeopardy, and the government would then need to acquire specific information to stop the occurrence of a terrorist attack. But I do not agree with President Bush's eavesdropping on selected conversations that are not a threat, because that could lead to him abusing his power.

Heather's Post

last one was mine

I don't think I would ever give up my civil liberties. As said before, some countries the people don't have any. So I appreciate mine. Some people take theirs for granted. But if we didn't have our rights things would be so different. Plus no one take take my rights away from me. Everyone has their rights so why would you want to give them up?

The Nitti Beat's Post

It doesn't matter ,black, white, woman, or man, what the president is, but what does matter is how the country is run. Obviously, the president is the easiest person to blame for the countries problems, but just think who put him into office, us! Bush, as much as I like him, is not his father nor the smartest person, but he is the president and does deal with a lot of critisism. We, US citizens, knowing that he wasn't the smartest still put him in for two terms, and we should have picked someone who could run the country better. Now is our chance in Novemver of 2008. If we want to find some one to run the country from the candidates given, then I think we should vote for Juliani. He not only handeled the situation of 9/11 as the mayor of New York but did a damn fine job bringing the city back and country together emotionally. Hillary on the other hand couldn't even saticfy her husband nor divorce the idiot to better her self, so how will she beable to saticefy the needs or better the country either. Now personally I don't know much about Obamba, but in my opinion if i don't know enough information about something i'd not pick it or do alot of reaserch to find out about it. What do you guys know or think about Obamba?

Dennis' Post

Although there wouldn't be many occasions where I would give up my civil liberties, there are times that I would. I would give up some of my liberties if my life was in danger or if I was getting tortured or something like that, otherwise I like having my civil liberties. Like Janelle, I usually keep my opinions about things to myself, but occasionally I will tell my opinions to others. Since I don't express my opinions as much as most people do, I don't feel as strongly about keeping my civil liberties as most people do. Like I said before, I enjoy having my civil liberties, and would be upset about losing them, and if I did lose them, I probably wouldn't be as upset as other people. I also agree with Carrie, when she said that she would give up her civil liberties to keep peace with other people, and that would be another occasion where I would probably give up my civil liberties.

Trisha's Responce

I agree with them. I don't think I would be so willing to give up my civil liberties, mostly because of just how important they really are. I couldn't imagine giving up even our most basic of rights just in an attempt to keep the peace. It is true that one cannot please everyone, however that doesn't exactly mean that we should sacrifice everything just to try to make someone happy. I'm not saying that people shouldn't do it or that people don't try, I just don't think that we should have to result to that.

Kind of off topic: As for the presidential question I raised earlier, I'm not so sure that the U.S. is ready for a women president. I'm not shooting down my own gender, I'm just saying that this country is really full of Traditionalists and that in spite of it not being about gender or race but that doesn't mean that it isn't about gender or race. That's all I had to say.
Oh, by the way-- I'm feeling happy today ^_^

Jamie's response

It would be pretty hard for me to give up my civil rights. The circumstance would have to be a really good reason, like a life or death situation.
And as far as making a big deal about dressing up on Halloween and stuff. I think that we should fight against it and everything, because it's the principle of it. If we let them take something (even as minor as that) from us, then they might think that they can just take bigger more important things away from us. We have to stand up against them before they start to take advantage of us. Who knows, maybe next year they'll make everyone wear a uniform, because our shirts are "too distracting."

Anastasia's Response

I don't think I would ever sacrifice my civil liberties and I don't think anyone who has them would ever sacrifice them either. There are some people who do not have these liberties and we can see what type of lifestyle they have. In the past, there were many times where people were taken away or did not have civil liberties at all. We can see the types of conflicts that were created. Who would want to live without having the right of speech, press, religion etc. The absense of civil liberties would only create serious problems.

Janny's response

For me to give up my civil liberties, it would have to be for a greater purpose. It it meant that i had had to give up my rights to prove a point to America or whatever it might be, i'd do it. But since that hasn't happened, I like my civil liberties. Its up to the people to blow the whistle when the government or any establishment intrudes on our rights. If nobody does, then we'll get taken advantage of. I think civil liberties are very important. We shouldn't take them for granted because people in other countries might not be as fortunate as us.

Keith's Response

I wanted to start off by saying that that was one crazy assembly the other day. It got really out of hand fast with the whole dressing up argument, but it was really fun to hear every ones input on the subject.

I get very confused when we start to talk about our civil liberties. I understand that we have freedoms until they start to effect others, but I have a very difficult time seeing that line. There is always someone breaking the rules for one reason or another. The rules were set up in the first place to insure that we would b able to keep the freedoms we have now, but why would they make the rules if people were not breaking them in the first place. Civil liberties are more of a guide line to help us along and make sure our society doesn't run itself into the ground. I would give up any of my civil liberties in an instant if I thought it was the right thing to do. If there was no freedom of speech but everything we heard was true it would not be as big a deal if there was no freedom of speech and all news was bias or censored. You can weigh the pros and cons of giving up freedoms for a lifetime but in the end of the day I would have to be placed in a situation where my freedoms were being challenged before I can tell you whether I would give them up or not.

Janelle's Response

I don't think I would ever give up my civil liberties. Even though I don't always voice my opinions outloud, if there ever came a time that I believed in something so strongly, I would want to be able to express it to others. I think that being able to express ourselves is the best thing about living in the United States. If I didn't have my civil liberties I wouldn't be able to follow my religion, or I wouldn't be able to say what I feel about the president or the war without being punished. Our civil liberties are something that are given to us and I would never give mine up. Even though I don't express my opinions openly, I like having the option to do so, and I wouldn't give up my civil liberties.

Carrie's Response

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I'm a fairly passive person. I go with the flow about a lot of things and don't really care about making any sort of politcial statements (i keep them mostly to myself.) So when asked if i would give up my civil liberties, i probably would. In the world we live in today, no one is always going to be happy. there is always going to be at least one group of people who is upset with someone or something. If i could give up my civil liberties in order to have some sort of peace with people, then so be it. To me it's just as satifying to think to myself about how stupid some peoples opinions are beucase whether or not i say anything at all, their minds are not going to be changed.

Danae's Response

To give up my civil liberties there would have to be a very important reason to. If I was ever in trouble and I had to give them up to save my life I would, but everyone is intitled to their own choice and they should be able to use each civil liberty to the best. I know I wont stop until I am in desperate need of it.
I did want to comment on the conversation today during 5th, what do you all feel about the whole costume thing at our school. Do you really think that it is that big of and issue to use our civil liberties in. Or are we just upset because we can't dress up on halloween? There were really good pounts given for both sides.

Week 2

Everyone has had some great responses so far and I really appreciate your effort on this! I was thinking I might mix up the topic a little...

Let's continue with a discussion that we started with the ACLU.

Is there ever a time that you are willing to sacrifice your civil liberties? What is that time? What positives and what negatives could come from this?

Jamie's Response

I agree with everyone else about that race and gender shouldn't at all make a difference for the presidential elections.
It kinda scares me though, because if Barack Obama does become president, I'm sure there will be assassination attempts. And as soon as that stuff starts happening, it could cause a big civil feud.
I think that by now, 2007, we're ready, but as other's have stated, there are still people in this world who oppose of it, and I just hope that they don't try doing anything irrational.

Dennis' Post

I think that it will be exciting to have either an African American president or a woman president because we would be making history either way. I think that the U.S. is as ready as it ever will be for either an African American president or a woman president. Most people today don't care what race or gender the president will be, as long as they do a good job at leading the country. However, there will always be some people that don't like the idea of having either an African American or woman president. These ideas will probably never go away, or at least not for a long time. There are probably people in the south that hate the idea of having an African American president and will hate it even if an African American president does a great job at leading the country. I think that the KKK still exists today, although there aren't as many of them as there used to be, but I am sure that they don't like the idea of having an African American president. As I said before, the U.S. is as ready as it will ever be for either an African American or female president.

Mike's Response

I would have to agree with both of you on this question. I think that our country has had a rough time in the past few years with our current president and I DO NOT believe that race or gender should have an affect on what happens in this upcoming election. Our country needs someone who can make better decisions and lead us to becoming a stronger nation. I feel that both of the candidates being Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton have what it takes to turn our country around. Therefore, I hope the U.S. gets a chance to see what these intelligent people have to offer and not make decisions on racial or gender issues.

Shannon's Response

I deffinitley argree with Heather. It shouldn't matter what race or gender our president is, it should only matter what he or she has to say. As for our country being ready or not to handle this would be the question. I would hope so, I mean our current president didn't do any good for us, I would hope people would be open for the change. I know I deffinitely am and am happy other races and genders are finally running for the position. As Heather said, it is the year 2007 and African Americans and women have had rights for quite some time now, why not let them lead the country?

Heather's Response

I think that we are definitely ready for an African American or woman president. It really shouldn't matter what race or gender the president is. I don't look at that. I look at their views and see what they have to offer our country. Some people are very stereotypical and think its not a woman's place still to run a country. Or some people are racist and don't think someone who is African American's place can run a country. This is sad since it is the year 2007. I mean our current president is a white man and look at the rut he has driven us into. As the Declaration of Independence says, "All men are created equal", meaning everyone should have a fair shot. I will voting in the 2008 election. I think every vote counts and hopefully one of these candidates can turn our country around for the better.

New Question

What is everyone's opinion of the new presidential canidates? Do we think that the U.S. is ready for either a African American president or a woman president? Just wondering what you guys think.

Trisha's reponce

I agree with Bobbo. Creationism shouldn't be taught in school. It's an interesting topic, sure but it's also isn't based on facts and also assumes everyone believes in one God. It can make other kids who have other religions feel out of place and can make them feel like their beliefs are wrong or should be questioned just so that they can fit in. Also, if we were to let Creationism be taught, we would have to let all religions be taught. There are probably thousands of religions out there and the school would have to offer the teachings of every single one. I don't you about you, but that would be a lot of money and time to find teachers and books. There are people who don't believe in just one God, myself being one of them. And to be completely honest, I would feel a little like I was being forced to learn beliefs that weren't mine and like it was being forced on me. Not to mention that it's a mixture of church and state, which for good reason must remain seperated.

Bobbo's response

In my opinion, creationism shouldn't be taught in public schools. There arent really any facts or evidence to back up the idea of creationism, it is just a belief that you have to have, which is why people go to church, because they believe in it. I think that evolution is a more suitable subject to be taught in schools because there is evidence that supports the theory. By teaching evolution, I don't see it as "putting down" creationism, I just see it as teaching the facts and evidence that scientists have gathered, which seems more logical that teaching a belief.

Jamie's Thoughts

I think that intelligent design is interesting. I kind of think that it's reasonable with the whole "everything happens for a reason". Because a lot of people always say that, which I totally agree with. If some thing happens in your life, even as stupid or unimportant you think it is, I think that in the long run it does have an effect on you, because in some way, even if it's really small, it has changed your perspective.
But any way, I think that intelligent design is the offspring of evolution and creationism. It seems like it's just creationism hiding behind an evolution mask. People probably created it and were like "oh, see, this will tricked those stupid scientists! They'll think it's science, but really it's not! muahahaha!"

Dennis' Post

I agree with Carrie when she says that she doesn't agree with the guy that said that if school were given the permission to talk about creationism along with evolution that it would just lead to other christian ideas such as Noah and his arc. I don't think Noah and his arc would be brought up in school discussions if students learn about creationism. They would most likely just be taught basic concepts without any stories of God doing supernatural things except maybe the part with God creating the world in seven days. Also, if all the viewpoints of how the world was created was taught, then the students would be able to make a better desicion on what they want to believe in because not everyone has parents that make their kids go to church so they may never learn about how the world was created from a religous point of view.

Kyle's Post

I personally don't believe that the world and everything in it could have all come together by purely evolution or purely creation. I don't think that the world and all of its complexities could have come together perfectly like it did just by a chance of random selections. I also don't believe that God could have just created everything in the world in just 7 days. I have never been a very religious person so I am not that familiar with the whole story of creation but I have a hard time believing it. I can never be sure of anything unless it has been proven to me and creation never could be so it is hard for me to believe it. So I guess you could say that I believe in intelligent design because i don't fully believe creationism or evolution. I believe we evolved from a simpler species and I definitely believe that everything happens for a reason in the world. I believe the teaching of intelligent design should take place in church since there is a certain religious aspect to it but kids definitely need to learn the theory of intelligent design.

Janny's response

I think that Creationism, Intelligent Design, and Evolution should all be taught at school so students can decide for themselves which one they want to believe. Instead of having controversy surrounding it, why not let everybody win and teach them all? Instead of the Supreme Court or the State deciding what students in schools learn, why not lay out all the facts and let them decide?

Carrie's Response

I agree with Caitlin, i think that both creationism and evolution should be taught in schools. I have always been taught the evolution side of things through school and this is the first time that a discussion of creationsim has even come up and i think that's alot better. Whenever i have learned about evolution in school, i've just sat and been like whatever who cares i've already learned about what i think in church. But when both ideas are presented in comparsion, it makes you question a lot more. In that article we read, that guy said that if school were given the permission to talk about creationism along with evolution that it would just led to other christian ideas such as Noah and his arc. I really don't agree with what he said at all. Noah and his arc have very little to do with science.

Caitlyn's response

As far as creationism and evolution being taught in schools I think both should be taught. It's only fair that both be taught so that the student can form their own opinion. If only one is taught it's almost like the student is supposed to believe that and only study that idea. So if both aren't taught then they shouldn't be taught at all in public schools. There would still be people that would say that only one should be taught but there would be a lot less controversy. A new idea would be for them to be taught outside of school kind of like in a club. Technically it would be taught in school then, it would be taught and learned by choice.

Janelle's Response

In response it Kristen's question, I don't think that creationism should be taught in schools. I think that creationism is something that you should learn through your church. I think public schools should stick to teaching evolution. I know when i was younger my mom had me take classes at St. Theresa every Saturday morning, and that is where I learned about God and the Bible. Also, I think if public schools around this area thought about teaching creationism, a big controversy would erupt, and there would be so many mixed feelings on the subject that the school would never be able to make a decision on whether to teach it or not. If parents want their children to learn about creationism I think they should do that outside of school. I think it is important for children to learn both creationism and evolution, so they can make up their own minds on what they want to believe, but i think that creationism should be taught anywhere but your public school.

And this too:

As far as the question relating to whether I believe Creationism or evolution should be taught in schools, I would have to say both…sort of. I firmly agree with why evolution is and should continue being taught in schools today. Evolution has been scientifically proven true to exists. Given certain environments a species is put in, it will evolve or change to adapt to that environment. Ok so that’s a fact, so teach it! Creationism, although I believe is more of an opinion then anything, should be given as an option to the students as well. Like Vince stated, if part of education is to teach students not to always take the face value and that students should always challenged and question what is given to them, then how can they do so if only one option is brought up. Students need to be able to decipher for themselves what they believe is to be true. I agree with others that Creationism really shouldn’t be discussed to full detail only because education is based on what is factual and not what one’s opinions are, but all sides to an argument should and needs to be acknowledged at some point.

What Liz has to say about that

In response to the first question on whether or not I believe disobedience is justifiable, I would have to agree with many of my fellow classmates on this and say yes. I believe under certain circumstance it is. For instance, if the situation is a matter or life or death or trying to help your family survive then of course take the actions necessary do to so. If it is for self defense against someone trying to harm you or a loved then again yes, disobedience is defiantly justifiable. I know this example was used before, but I’ll use it again. In WWII, Nazis Soldiers were told to seek out all Jewish, torture and kill them regardless of anything. They was nothing these people had done wrong other then practice their own religious beliefs. The towns people in Germany were told not to hide or help any Jew who should come, that they would killed if found they had done so. But many saw how killing the innocent was wrong and housed the Jewish people anyway. This is a prime example that shows, given the right situation, disobedience is justifiable. I agree with many who wrote before me who stated that just because you are told to do or not to do something, doesn’t mean it is morally right for us to follow. It is up to one to decided that for one’s self and figure their actions based upon.

Heather's Response

I agree with Dennis when he said that everything happens for a reason. So yeah... that much of intelligent I believe in. But to me it's just a new version of creationism. Some people really want creationism to be taught in schools so it seems like a group of people got together to think and tweaked the idea of creationism so it could possibly be considered to be taught in schools. Intelligent Design to me is like in the middle of the two opposites (Creationism and evolution).

Dennis' Post

I believe parts of the intelligent design theory. I believe everything happens for a reason even though something bad might happen and I don't really know what the reason for that unfateful event is. I don't believe in evolution because of many reasons. I consider myself as a religous person since I go to church on a weekly basis, and have been for all my life, so I have been taught that God created the world in seven days and all that, and still believe that, even though sometimes I get doubts in my mind especially after reading "Inherit the Wind." Another reason I don't believe in evolution is because I can't see myself as being evolved from primates all because we have some similarities. I belief that Adam and Eve was just created by God without any evolving, but that is just my opinion.

Carrie's Response

I have very mixed feelings about Keith's response. I am a huge animal lover and decided on not being a vet becuase i could NEVER put an animal to sleep even if it was best for them so i completely agree with what he says about people who torture animals. I worked at an animal rescue for a summer and people do some really messed up things to dogs. We had a dog come in that had its tail cut off by the owner and we've had dogs come in that peed anytime we came close to them out of fear. So i think its really unfair that people don't get as harsh of punishments for that as they do if you hit a car and drive away (it happened to my mom the other day.) I don't understand why people think that they are higher than any other thing on this planet, animals have feelings too.

the part that i have mixed feelings on is asking who is the government for having the right to give someone the death penalty. put yourself in the position where someone, heaven forbide, someone killed a member of your family or someone close to you. the death penalty hardly ever comes into play unless it was premeditated and you, as a family member, are going to want their ass in jail no matter how peaceful of a person you are. I heard on the radio one day that a family, who was grieving the lose of their son to a drunk driver, only wanted the other driver to pay one dollar to the family everyday for the rest of their life. this would make them think about what they did every morning. i thought that was creative.

The Nitti Beat's Post

Creationism taught in schools? O.K. at this point people have to realize they should stop being so politically correct and saying that everybody has the "right" to learn both, evolution and creationism and make their own opinion. The fact is, is that nobody can make some one believe something no matter how much you "brain-wash" them into thinking your way. Albiet that more and more technology is becoming redaly avalible to use a proof and to understand our true origin, but truly nobody really knows where we came from. All people want now a days are facts and proof. That is one of the main reasons tht public schools will not teach religion, A: because every one is different depending on their spiritual background and B: beacuse it will always cause one of the biggest arguments known to the public school system. If creationism was introduced into school I think studen's parents, much like mine did when I was in 5th grade learning about evolution, should sign a waver. This waver would alow the teaching or not of either creationism or evolution depending on the minors parents' wishes. I also believe that the school board should recongnize this waver as the strong belif that not every thing should be taught.

The Nitti Beat's Post

Yes, sometimes disobediance is nessasary. If you are told to do something, an adult or official of some type, that either you or your parents wouldn't agree with you shouldn't do it and ignor it. You can call it being insubordinate or disobedient or what ever you like, but the fact is, is that if some one told you to jump off a bridge or in to oncoming traffic, would you.

Janelle's Response

Agreeing with most of the other posts, I do believe that disobedience is justifiable, but only when it is necessary. If you are being told to do something a certain way or act a way that you don't agree with, I think it is okay to be disobedient. For example, in the 1960's there were Freedom Rider's, which were a group of civil rights activists who boarded buses to go to southern cities which had segregated transportation facilities. Another example is when African-Americans would "sit in" at diners across the south. They were being disobedient to prove a point that diner's should not be segregated. Both groups of people were being disobedient by not following the law, and I think that it is justifiable in the sense that they were taking a stand for what they thought was right, and they ignored the federal laws. The 1950's and 1960's are great examples of how disobedience can be justifiable because they were doing it for a good purpose.

Trish's Responce

Intelligent Design is a touchy subject. One the one hand, scientists think it's an absolutely absurd idea. On the other, people have to believe in something to explain why we are here. I personally think that it had to be alittle bit of both. It is next to statisically impossible that the little rock with those tiny micro-organisms just so happened to land in an enviroment that it could thrive in. I will not, however, deny the fact that evolution does exstist. Divine intervention is a possiblity and I can't help but admit that something or someone is up there but I also think that we were created in His or Her image is absurd because that's incredbubly arrogant...But that's just what I think

Keith's Post

First of all I do not know why some is yellow. but none the less, I believe that disobedience is very often justifiable. I am a very religious person, an Christ is behind alot of what i do, that is why i work at a church. If u ever do something with God's will in your heart I feel like that is justifiable. We often see ourselves as being the only "species" on the planet. We see ourselves as the only living beings. So why do we get to put someone on deathrow who kills little boys or girls and the men who strange and drown dogs with their bare hands get a slap on the wrist? We can not justify half the things that are legal in this world anymore. The government sets up rules to make sure our country doesn't fall apart but who are they to lock someone up for two lifetimes? Who are they ro use lethal injection? Who are they to let our citizens they have sworn to "protect" go off to some desert to be killed? Who are they to justify any of their actions... oh wait we pay taxes so we have to let them do those things.


wow I do not know how i got onto that so I'm sorry but their are my feelings.

Heather's Response

I really want to know what people think about intelligent design.....


because I myself think it's way confusing.

Megan's Post

Along with Jamie i do believe creationism should be taught in schools. I find it funny how until evolution rose about everyone taught strickly creationism in school and now it is the opposite. Teachers usually spend little time if not any on faith, and we spend most of the time talking about evolution. I believe in what Dennis says and thats if a school only teaches both evolution and creationism a student will be able to decide what they think is the "right" way. The schools are more leaning towards evolution and almost making people question there faith which i dont think is right.

Heather's Response

My response is aimed towards the first question about whether or not their is a time disobedience can be justifiable. It's usually the right idea to obey the law, but there are some cases which I think it's right to disobey it. For example, African-Americans broke the laws (like sitting in the front of buses) when they protested for equal rights. Even though some of the actions were against the law back then it still was the right thing to do. I mean I see Martin Luther King Jr as a hero not a felon.

Dennis' Response

I believe that creationism should be taught in school. I agree with Bochat when they say that if you teach about one side of something you should teach the other side about something. If you teach students about one side of something then those students will be more biased towards that side. For example, if a teacher teaches their students about evolution and the teacher only mentions creationism, then that student will most likely be more biased towards believing in evolution as the way everything in the world is the way that it is now. However, if the student learned about evolution and creationism equally, then the student will be able to decide what they think is the "right" way without being too influenced by what they were taught in school.

Jamie's Response

I think that creationism shouldn't be frowned upon to be taught in school. I agree with Tom in saying that students are in school to learn, and what's to stop them from not learning about that. I'm sure that there's some kids who don't believe in evolution, but they're still forced to learn about. So I think that creationism should get some spot in the cirriculum. I know that teachers do mention it and all, but they normally summarize it in a minute or two. They should at least spend a day or two on it. Even if you don't believe in it, you should be at least respectful and open minded about others' beliefs. I mean like, I believe in evolution and stuff, but I wouldn't be opposed to spending a few days on learning about the other side, because you should always be knowledgable in both sides.

Trisha's Responce

In responce to the first question of whether or not there ever a time when disobedience is justifiable is that in some cases, it has been over-looked. One of the cases that come to mind was when a jury didn't convict an man for holding a hopital at gun-point. This was because the hospital wouldn't let him take his son, who was in a vegetative state, off life support. The story was that this guy went in and , with gun in hand, forced his way to his son's room, took him off the life support himself and sat there and cried until his son was beyond resesitation. The jury didn't convict him because they probably thought he had gone through enough. However, that's an extreme case. In other cases, I think it's purfectly okay, not to mention nessasary, that there is disobedience. Any Comments?

Anastasia's Response

Creationism should be mentioned, when evolution is taught in school just so people could see what the differences are between the two. However, I don't think that creationism should be taught in school. As Shannon said, evolution is a fact and creationism isn't. People have their own beliefs and it's not right to go against them.

Shannon's Response

In response to Kristen's question regarding creationism being taught it public schools, I'd have to say I dont believe it should be. We go to school to learn facts and although creationism is a theory, it's not a fact. If it contradicts with someone's personal belief then they can go to church and learn about creationism. There is a time and place to learn about it, but school is not that place. I believe we should be taught that the creationist side exists but shouldn't go into detail about it.

In response to Kristen's question, i agreee that everyone should have the right to choose what they think is correct. Therefore both evolution and creationism should be presented and taught in public schools. Evolution is true and proven in the aspect that different species change and flourish over time to adapt and survive in their environment. Though I dont agree that the human race is a common ancestor with the apes, chimps, etc.

Bochat's Response

I beleive that creationsim should be taught in school. Students are at school to learn and who is to say that they can't learn about creationism? Students should at least get a look at both sides of creationism so they can make up their own mind. Evolution may be in schools but religeon... not so much. Sure thats why theres church but there are some people who can't get out to church every Sunday. I just think that if schools teach one half then they have to teach the other half as well.

Vince's Response

As far as evolution goes it should be taught in public schools as it is a proven science and as such there pertains no reason for it to be outlawed in our educational system. Creationism on the other hand is a much less black and white topic full of controversy, as is anything that cannot truly be proven. However, just because something can't be proven doesn't mean man should show enough ignorance to just dismiss it. Therefore I think it should be given to students as a possibility and theory and should challenge students to think and question, because is that not the goal of education?

Kristen's Question

What do you guys feel about the issue on creationisim being taught in schools?

Its a tough choice when it comes to teaching different things in school, creationism, evolution, are all things that different people believe i dont think that either of them should be taught in school, and if one would be taught then the other one should be tought to, everyone has different beliefs when it comes to how the world is created and i dont think that either of them should be put down because of how the world was made... but it is a really tough choice becuase you are torn so much!

Melanie's Repsone

Civil disobediance can be justified in a non-radical way. If the situation is critical to the point where one must "break the rules", then it is reasonable. For example, was it right for Scopes acting disobedient when he taught evolution at a public school? Even though it wasn't considered justified back then, it become a turning point in history for evolution vs. creationism. People should not be forced to do something they do not wish to do. If they act out for the overall better of the situation, then disobedience is considered a justified answer to any problem.

Carrie's Response

I think that civil disobedience is justified only when you are feeling that you rights are being threatened. There is a big difference between civil disobedience and rioting and one of the two (it's obvious which one,) hardly ever come out with a good result. When your parents are telling you to unload the dishwasher or a teacher is asking you to collect the homework, disobedience is not justified. They are not asking you to do something that will take much effort or strain. Now if your teachers tell you to do cart wheels all the way down the hall, you are justified to have disobedience because that is rediculous. I saw in the news over the summer about riots in a South American country as a result of the government canceling a radio program because of their censoring. They citizins when crazy with protests and I see this as justifiable becuase there is not much else for them to do. But I do not think the citizins will ever get the solution they are looking for.

Janny's response

I agree with everybody's post so far that in certain situations, disobedience is justifiable. I believe there are exceptions to anything and society should recognize that. There have been many examples in the past where people have disobeyed the government or society for what is logically or morally right. The controversy surrounding abortion would be a good example of disobedience being justified. Women have a right to choose what they want to do with the life inside them. What's ironic is that its the men in d.c. making the decisions whether women can have abortions. The lawmakers assume that women went and got pregnant and now she wants to get rid of the baby in the interest of her own life. They don't even consider to acknowledge what kind of situation a woman might be in that resulted her in considering abortion as an option.

Kristen (evolution and creationisim)

What do you guys feel about the issue on creationisim being taught in schools?

I feel that it is something that should not be taught in schools. Teachers should let their students know what it is, but I don't nessecarily think that it should be taught in schools. Everyone has their own religion, and that is why they go to church. I strongly agree with the fact that creationisim is not a religion. I think of it as more of a view point, but I don't think it has much to do with science at all.

Ryans responce

Yes and No, disobedience is never justifiable, unless they did under certain conditions that will help more than hurt. Then it is justifiable. Other than that it's not justifiable because then no one will believe you when you try to say that they can trust you. That is why people get hurt or shunded some of the time. just because a little disobediance can ruin your trust to others.

Kristen's Response

I believe, like many of the post so far, that disobediance is justifiable in some cases. In most cases it is not. However, there are many cases in which it is justifiable. For example, self defense. I also agree with Dennis' post that discussed how in World War Two, people were not allowed to house Jewish people in their homes. That case is extremely justifiable because no one should be discriminated against because of their ethnic backround or religion. I also agree with Anatasia's response. If you do not believe that something is logical or it is against your beliefs, than why should you do it? An act that I don't really find justifiable is stealing (in 98% of cases), if you are trying to steal something as simple as a bag of chips because you can't afford it, you should walk to McDonalds, Wendy's, or any one of America's fast food restaurants and get a job.

Dennis' response

Although disobedience isn't justifiable for the most part, there are times when disobedience is justifiable. Like Sean said that if you need to break a law to survive, like if you are starving and you have to steal food, then that is justifiable. There are also other times when disobedience is justifiable. For example in World War 2 it was illegal in Germany to hide or protect jewish people in your homes, but people did it anyways. People that did this were disobedient but it is justifiable since they are protecting people from getting killed or tortured.

Scotty B's response

I think that disobedience is justifiable in some situations that have been mentioned already. Now lets say you were homeless, would you go dumpster diving? I know I wouldn't. I would for sure steal food, and that is justifiable in my eyes. Here's another situation. Say you live on the first floor of an apartment, and next door is a fire extinguisher warehouse. Your whole apartment building catches fire in the middle of the night and you are armed with an axe. Would you not bust open the doors of the fire extinguisher warehouse to save the people in your building ?

Bailey's Response

I agree with both Sean and Anastasia. Disobedience is justifiable because if a person tells you to do something, it doesn’t always mean what they are telling you to do is morally the right thing to do. For example; the genocide in Darfur is occurring because people are doing what their government leaders tell them to do without questioning or objecting.

Anastasia's Response

I believe that disobedience is justifiable because someone can't force you or to say or do if the reason is not reasonable or logical. An example, I believe that people, who were hit by hurricane Katrina and stole from houses and stores after, weren't necessarily wrong or bad and there actions can be justifiable. They lost so much and they didn't have anything. They were helpless.

Sean's Response

I believe that disobedience is justifiable when the situations are right... I believe that is okay to not follow the rules or guidelines when somebody is in the need of help. For instance it is against the law to steal, although if my family was on the verge of starvation I would not second guess myself to be disobidient and steal a meal for my family.

Disobedience?? It never ever justifiable.... why?? We all know from wrong and right... our parents have taught us no never disobey the rules... even the bible as only an example... God told Adam and Eve not to out of the Tree and yet they did and for their disobedience they were exposed to their nudity and taken out of the garden... so in short words.... NO ITs NOT.

First topic...

Hi everybody! Here is your first discussion topic...

Is there ever a time when disobedience is justifiable? Why? When?